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Welcome to This Week In Guns, the podcast that covers the latest firearms industry news, information and buzz.Brought to you by the Firearms Radio Network. I’m your host Jake Challand from Gun Guy Radio, This is Reed Snyder a former marine and native Texan from the AR-15 Podcast Greg Bokken an oppressed California gun owner. Steve Remy a law enforcement officer from Texas and Gun Guy Radio Co-Hosts Mike Emert & Hank Hockey

Richard Jensen:  Hey, Jake -- Don't worry, not on Gun Guy Radio. I'm just not sure when you record the This Week in Guns podcast. But I'd like your take (and I think Hank is also an Illinois resident) on the introduction of all these new gun control measures in Illinois during the 'lame duck' session.

Did this just spring up with no warning? I heard the legislation may actually make it to the senate floor today (Thursday). How do citizens like yourself find out about these things? What actions can you really take since it looks like they are trying to get this pushed through in a week.

Keep up the good work.

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------- Hank - Illinois issues

Illinois:  Votes Suspended in Senate -- Anti-Gun Action Shifts to State House on Sunday

Anti-Gunners Seek to Exploit Tragedy to Advance their Anti-Freedom Agenda to Ban and Register Guns and Magazines –  Contact your state Representative TODAY

Yesterday when Senate President John Cullerton was unable to garner thirty votes in the Illinois Senate to pass legislation banning firearms and magazines, he postponed the floor votes on these bills until next week.  Now Governor Patrick Quinn and Chicago Mayor Rahm Emanuel have shifted their anti-gun focus to the state House of Representatives in an attempt to ban your guns and magazines during the Lame Duck session on Sunday through Tuesday. As a way of distracting attention from his failure to control and reduce out-of-control violent crime in Chicago, Emanuel is once again actively seeking to restrict your Second Amendment rights.  Emanuel is infamous for saying “You never want a serious crisis to go to waste.  And what I mean by that is an opportunity to do things you think you could not do before.”  Convenience should never be used as a factor.  No time should ever be considered a good time to attack the law-abiding public and strip it of its rights and civil liberties.  As previously reported here, the Illinois Senate recently attempted and continues to try to pass two extreme anti-gun bills which, if enacted, will ban, tax and require registration for semi-automatic firearms or detachable magazines, impose severe restrictions on shooting ranges and create a myriad of new laws that will easily turn an entire class of law-abiding citizens into felons.  After their efforts stalled yesterday in the Illinois Senate, thanks to your efforts to call and e-mail your state Senators, it appears that Emanuel and Quinn are still hell-bent on exploiting recent tragedies to achieve their goal of making YOU a felon by shifting their anti-gun focus to the state House.   So they are now looking to introduce similar gun and magazine ban registration language in the House when it convenes on Sunday for the last few days of their lame duck session.  It is critical that you call your state Representative TODAY and respectfully demand that he or she oppose any and all anti-gun initiatives and stand up for your rights! While details are still emerging as to the particulars of this legislation, one thing is for certain:  Anti-gun politicians are attempting to sacrifice your constitutional rights as a scapegoat for the criminal acts of violence in Chicago by gangs and drug dealers.  While it might be convenient right now, it is irresponsible for these anti-gun politicians to launch an attack on your rights as a consolation prize just because they lost in their attempts to flout the Constitution and deny Illinois citizens their right to keep and bear arms. They may not have not achieved success in courts or in the Senate thus far, but they are still determined to go after your rights.  Don't let them succeed in banning your firearms or magazines as an excuse for stopping criminals and lunatics from misusing them.  Criminals -- by definition -- violate laws, especially gun control laws, including often: murder, rape, robbery, drug-dealing, gang violence, firearm theft, carrying concealed firearms without a license/permit, federal gun-free school zones.  They do not obey gun bans, register their firearms, or get subjected to any gun control schemes (like the lone state ban on carrying concealed firearms for self-defense) that only affect and penalize law-abiding citizens like you.  Your telephone calls TODAY to your state Representatives will determine the outcome of this very serious assault on your Second Amendment rights. The NRA-ILA will continue to send legislative updates as details become available.  However, it is of the utmost importance that you act NOW to stop this gun and magazine ban.  Call your state Representative IMMEDIATELY and respectfully express your opposition to banning firearms or magazines, and urge them to vote against any and all measures that do so. _________________________________________________________________________________________________

Dicks & Troy: I’m not sure if your aware, but Troy Industries was selling their Troy Defense rifle known as the Troy Defense 5.56 Carbine exclusively through Dickless (Is it okay to say that?)Sporting Goods. DSG had a contract to move a lot of rifles for Troy Defense and offered a Black Friday sale on them, deeply discounting the rifles.  $799 to be exact.  Well, DSG would honor the price for back orders.  Well you guessed it, when DSG stopped selling firearms, they said they will not honor the 1000's of back orders.  Screwing all the customers and the sales of Troy Defense.

Here's the rifle: http://www.troydefense.com/firearmsaccessories/troy-5-56-carbine/

Here is a press release from Troy:

Troy Defense (Troy), a division a Troy Industries, Inc., was deeply dismayed and shocked to hear through national media outlets that Dick’s Sporting Goods (DSG) made the decision to stop selling the Troy Carbine along with other modern sporting rifles. DSG did not contact or inform Troy of this decision prior to notifying the public. Nor was Troy informed by DSG that cancellation letters were being sent to customers, set to arrive on Christmas Eve (a day Troy was closed).

Troy has invested millions of dollars in its facility and operations to bring its first ever modern sporting rifle to the market under an exclusive contract with DSG. In selecting DSG as the sole distributor of the Troy Carbine, Troy relied on DSG’s high sales forecasts and sales potential prior to undertaking the significant financial and corporate commitment necessary to design, develop, manufacture and bring a new modern sporting rifle to the marketplace. Based on DSG’s press release, DSG’s anti-gun stance is clear – DSG will not continue modern sporting rifle sales and Troy will sadly not see its Carbine readily available — despite the outlay of millions of dollars by Troy and its commitment to support DSG in its distribution efforts.

Troy is currently researching other channels to ensure continuous and consistent distribution for its rifles. But please note, Troy’s pricing to DSG was based upon volume sales. It is unlikely that pricing to any other outlet in the future will support the pricing granted to DSG. Troy understands the anger of certain DSG customers whose purchases have been cancelled – you got a great price from DSG. However, Troy, itself, cannot come anywhere close to offering the Carbine at the price DSG was offering it. DSG devalued and diluted Troy’s brand when it offered for sale the Carbine at a steeply discounted price during Thanksgiving week. As a result of the sale price set by DSG, DSG oversold and overpromised its inventory. Nonetheless, the current ill-will could have been avoided had DSG not terminated modern sporting rifle sales, promptly canceled overpromised orders, and forthrightly communicated with Troy.

Troy is hopeful that it will soon identify a new distribution channel for its Carbine. We ask for your patience and support during this difficult and transitory time.

The number of firearms-related background checks conducted nationally by the FBI set a record in 2012. And, the FBI conducted nearly 2.8 million background checks in December alone, more than any other month since the agency began keeping track of the background checks in November 1998.

For 2012, the FBI says its National Instant Criminal Background Check System conducted 19.6 million firearms background checks. That's nearly a 20% increase compared with the 16.5 million checks done in 2011. The FBI has now done 160.5 million firearms-related background checks since it began the NICS system in November 1998.

The number of firearms owned by Americans is estimated at about 300 million.

Stats pulled from this article: http://www.jsonline.com/business/fbi-reports-record-number-of-firearms-background-checks-eq87t69-185437781.html

Chris Bettura - Tampa Florida:I wanted to add this information to the vast amount of knowledge you guys provide us each week when you are on air with your podcast. Listening to you guys is one of the highlights of my week. I'm a psycho-therapist, and I patiently wait until Monday to play your new addition to your catalog while I'm between patients. I have subscribed to all of the great shows on your network and wanted to thank all of you for what you do to ensure the public has the right information about gun care, gun handling, how firearms are a sport/lifestyle, and all of the other various topics you cover. Your new additions to the network have also been a true delight (AR-15 podcast, and the new round table) and also help Inadvertently keep Safety and the joy of the sport at the forefront of our minds (because its a no politics approach on the majority of your shows). The round table has just enough politics to keep you I informed and not to much that would burn you out/or border on fanatical . Anyways, thank you and keep on carrying everyday!!!

P.s. this is the first time I have ever wrote in to any type of media related show, but with our freedoms in jeopardy, the lack of sleep I have been getting due to my fear of loosing the right to protect family, and the sense of selfishness I have been having for not participating, I had to stand up and due my part. I attached this writing research in a PDF format. If your unable to read please let me know and I can send as a word doc or other format I saved it in. It's 2 pages of truth that everyone should read, even the gun grabbers and ones who refuse to spend 10 minuets of thief time to get informed. They will wish they did if this Government gets their way and infringes on our most basic and important freedoms.

Don't Let Them Take Our Freedom and Safety

Firearms stand next in importance to the constitution itself. They are the American people's liberty teeth and keystone under independence ... from the hour the Pilgrims landed to the present day, events, occurrences and tendencies prove that to ensure peace security and happiness, the rifle and pistol are equally indispensable ... the very atmosphere of firearms anywhere restrains evil interference - they deserve a place of honor with all that's good."

George Washington First President of the United States A well regulated militia, being necessary to the security of a free state, the right of the people to keep and bear arms, shall not be infringed. Second Amendment of the Constitution of the United States of America

  • In 1929, the Soviet Union established gun control. >From 1929 to 1953, about 20 million dissidents, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated
  • In 1911, Turkey established gun control. From 1915 to 1917, 1.5 million Armenians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
  • Germany established gun control in 1938 and from 1939 to 1945, a total of 13 million
  • Jews and others who were unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated.
  • China established gun control in 1935. From 1948 to 1952, 20 million political dissidents, unable to defend themselves were rounded up and exterminated
  • Guatemala established gun control in 1964. From 1964 to 1981, 100,000 Mayan
  • Indians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
  • Uganda established gun control in 1970. From 1971 to 1979, 300,000 Christians, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
  • Cambodia established gun control in 1956. From 1975 to 1977, one million educated people, unable to defend themselves, were rounded up and exterminated.
  • Defenseless people rounded up and exterminated in the 20th Century because of gun control: 56 million.
  • You won't see this data on the US evening news, or hear politicians disseminating this information.
  • Guns in the hands of honest citizens save lives and property and, yes, gun-control laws adversely affect only the law-abiding citizens.
  • Take note my fellow Americans, before it's too late!
  • The next time someone talks in favor of gun control, please remind them of this history lesson.
  • With guns, we are 'citizens'. Without them, we are 'subjects'.
  • During WWII the Japanese decided not to invade America because they knew most Americans were ARMED!
  • If you value your freedom, please spread this antigun-control message to all of your friends.

IT'S A NO BRAINER! DON'T LET OUR GOVERNMENT WASTE MILLIONS OF OUR TAX DOLLARS IN AN EFFORT TO MAKE ALL LAW ABIDING CITIZENS AN EASY TARGET. Spread the word everywhere you can that you are a firm believer in the 2nd Amendment! It's time to speak loud before they try to silence and disarm us. Christopher Bettura CBHT,CAC

Next came gun registration. People were getting injured by guns. Hitler said that the real way to catch criminals (we still had a few) was by matching serial numbers on guns. Most citizens were law abiding and dutifully marched to the police station to register their firearms. Not long afterwards, the police said that it was best for everyone to turn in their guns. The authorities already knew who had them, so it was futile not to comply voluntarily.

Miss Kitty on Glenn Beck

I don’t know how political we want to get this week, but if a call to action is necessary, here is a link to contact your state’s representative in the house.  Really easy to fill out and send off. http://www.congress.org/congressorg/mail/?alertid=61046526&type=ML