Reloading Podcast 233 - pop goes the pin

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Tonight the guys are answering more questions.

  1. Ernie posted in Reloading Podcast Group: Which universal decapper are you guys using besides the lee?
    Kind of annoyed with my lee universal decapping die. Prior to bending the pin, no matter how tight I tightened it, it would still push up on some crimped primers. Replaced the pin and it’s still doing it. Now I think I’ve just gorilla tightened it and when it slips next I think I’ll have to replace the whole shot.

  2. Jim Rauls posted in RLP: I know it is not officially recommended to shoot powder coated bullets out of a suppressor. That being said , powder coated are my go to for reloading and I’m gearing up to suppress a lever action 44. Anyone here have any advice for me? How bout a show on loading for suppressor applications?

  3. Joe posted in RLP: How often are you supposed to clean reloading dies for both Rifle and Pistol?

  4. Paul posted in RLP: What ballistic software what do you use? Does it link to your weather meter? If so what weather meter do you use? I am using a Weatherflow weather meter, it is bluetooth compatible I use a tablet instead of a smart phone for my ballistic software.

Cartridge Corner Notes:The .444 Marlin (10.9x57mm) is a rifle cartridge designed in 1964 by Marlin Firearms and Remington Arms. It was designed to fill in a gap left by the older .45-70 when that cartridge was not available in any new lever action rifles; at the time it was the largest lever-action cartridge available.[1] The .444 resembles a lengthened .44 Magnum and provides a significant increase in velocity. It is usually used in the Marlin 444 lever-action rifle.

The history of the cartridge

In the mid-1960s the .45-70 had all but disappeared from the American marketplace. There was no big-bore cartridge available in a lever-action rifle in current production, so Marlin decided to create a new cartridge to fill this empty niche. They created what is essentially an elongated version of the .44 Magnum by making it nearly an inch longer to give it power similar to the .45-70.[3] The case Marlin created is very similar to a rimmed .303 British trimmed and necked-up to work with .429 bullets.[4]

Some hunters initially claimed some trouble because the .444 was frequently hand-loaded using existing .429 bullets that were designed for use at handgun velocities. Remington has stated in letter and email, when asked, that their 240gr .444 bullet was not the same as a .44 magnum handgun bullet.[3] However, diligent end users and DIY ballisticians have conducted detailed tests of projectiles and found that the bullet is identical; indicating that those in contact with Remington, or Remington themselves, spoke in error. The 240grain Remington Soft Point, in both bulk bullet and factory loads, is now reputed to be among to best expanding jacketed bullets for whitetail class game.

Despite the litany of false rumors about the 240 grain bullets, the rifle gained additional popularity as additional bullets were designed for its higher velocity.[5]

In 1972 Marlin re-introduced the .45-70 to their lever-action line, expanding their big-bore offerings.[3] Sales of the .444 are now overshadowed by .45-70 cartridge which has enjoyed a resurgence in popularity due to interest in cowboy action shooting. This quick action and powerful stopping power has been shown to be an efficient and useful hunting rifle for experienced shooters.

The specs are in the show notes if you desire to read them, as well as a link to the article on Wikipedia:

Type Rifle

Place of origin United States

Production history

Designer Marlin, Remington Arms

Designed 1964

Manufacturer Remington


Bullet diameter .429 in (10.9 mm)

Neck diameter .453 in (11.5 mm)

Base diameter .4706 in (11.95 mm)

Rim diameter .514 in (13.1 mm)

Rim thickness .063 in (1.6 mm)

Case length 2.225 in (56.5 mm)

Overall length 2.55 in (65 mm)

Rifling twist 1-38" (Microgroove) or 1-20" (Ballard cut)

Primer type large rifle

Ballistic performance

Bullet mass/type Velocity Energy

240 gr (16 g) SP 2,350 ft/s (720 m/s) 2,942 ft⋅lbf (3,989 J)

265 gr (17 g) FP 2,200 ft/s (670 m/s) 2,849 ft⋅lbf (3,863 J)

300 gr (19 g) HP 2,000 ft/s (610 m/s) 2,665 ft⋅lbf (3,613 J)

Test barrel length: 24 in

Source(s): Hornady [1] / Remington [2]


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