Handgun Radio 164 - Our Favorite Forgotten Weapons

Hello and welcome to Handgun Radio! I’m your host Ryan Michad  from the wild woods of Central Maine, and this is your home for all the news, information and discussion in the handgunning world.

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This week, Weerd and I discuss our favorite handguns from Forgotten Weapons library!!!

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Week in Review:

Ryan: -Checked out some cool pistols at the Cabelas gun library!

Weerd:

Drink Segment:  Made something very simple and VERY interesting.  It’s called Oleo-Saccharum  which simple means “oil Sugar”.

You make it by peeling citrus (in my case limes) and letting it sit for about an hour,  then you can add some water and bring it to a boil and then strain and you have a really nice flavored syrup.   I have it mixed with rum for a pseudo daiquiri,   but for those who aren’t drinkers,  you can do this with lemons, and then juice the lemons, maybe add some soda water and make yourself some spectacular lemonade this summer
 

Main Topic: Our Favorite Forgotten Weapons

If you haven’t been to the Forgotten Weapons website, you are missing out. Ian has an excellent website and a huge inventory of information about handguns that are uncommon or there isn’t much information about. We figured we could talk about some of our favorites!!

Ryan’s Picks

Trejo Machine Pistol Model 1 .22 LR

Test Trials Knoble Pistol

Savage 45

US Test Trials White-Merrill .45 Caliber Pistol

MAC 1950

Smith & Wesson Model 1913 in .35 Smith & Wesson

Elmer Keith’s M29

Elmer Keith Kaboom

Walther P38 Development

Savage Automatic Pistols
 

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HGR 111 - Early Self-Loading Pistols with Forgotten Weapons at James D. Julia Auctions

Hello and welcome to Handgun Radio! I’m your host Ryan Michad from the wild woods of Central Maine, and this is your home for all the news, information and discussion in the handgunning world.A few weeks ago, I spent the day with Ian from Forgotten Weapons up at the James D. Julia Auction House to check out some incredibly cool & rare historical firearms and discussed the progression of early-self loading pistols!

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Links to Visit:

This episode is going to be heavily dependent on photographs and video for you to see the guns we talked about. Check out the Handgun Radio Facebook Page or the Ryan Michad Youtube Channel to see video of a few of the guns’ mechanisms and photos!

Visit James D. Julia Auction House for more information about the upcoming October Auction, and to see their catalogs with amazing photography as well as their archives!

Visit Forgotten Weapons at Full30.com to see the videos of some of these guns. They are also on Facebook.

Main Topic: Early Self-Loading Pistols with Forgotten Weapons at James D. Julia Auctions

 

 

Berger Ring Trigger

Berger Pistol
Berger Pistol
Schulhof Pistol
Schulhof Pistol
Mannlicher 1894 Blow Forward
Mannlicher 1894 Blow Forward
Gabbett-Fairfax 1901 Mars Pistol
Gabbett-Fairfax 1901 Mars Pistol

Wrap-Up:

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  • Be sure to check out the Firearms Radio Network on YouTube!
  • Visit James D. Julia Auctions for more amazing firearms!
  • Visit Forgotten Weapons for great video & information!
  • Thank you Ian for taking the time and for a great day of historical firearms!

Until next week, Have fun and SAFE SHOOTING!

HGR 082 - Guns of the Gunwriters

Hello and welcome to Handgun Radio! I’m your host Ryan Michad from the wilds of Central Maine, and this is your home for all the news, information and discussion in the handgunning world. This week, I’m joined by Matt to discuss a little bit of history and the guns that were favored by a few of the earliest & most famous gunwriters!

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Week in Review:

-Got to spend some time with Ian from Forgotten Weapons and InRange TV while he was up here doing some work at the James D. Julia Auction House this past week. He was doing videos on the upcoming auction featuring a lot of cool guns as well as some of the guns from the Elmer Keith collection. I even got to hold a Colt SAA cylinder that Keith blew up back in the 1920’s! That was so cool! Thanks to Ian for meeting up with me and be sure to keep an eye out over at the Forgotten Weapons and InRange TV pages for some great videos coming up!

  • If you haven’t heard, I am guest hosting Gun Guy Radio for the next few months and the first one posted this past Sunday! I interviewed Karl from InRange TV about the WWII Weapons of the Eastern Front. I think it came out really great and I look forward to more! Be sure to check it out!!!
  • Matt will you be at NRA Show?

Matt: I will, should be saturday and sunday. Going to spend some time at Dillon booth among others. I need a new or spare progressive press. My powder drop tube broke and have been waiting for 6 weeks for new one from rcbs.

Main Topic: Guns of the Gunwriters

This topic came to mind when I was visiting Ian from Forgotten Weapons. After seeing the cylinder that Elmer Keith blew up, I mentioned it to some gun guys I know and they weren’t terribly familiar with Elmer Keith. I think to know where your hobby/profession is going, you definitely need to know where you’ve been, so I decided to do a topic discussing three of the most well-known gunwriters that influenced the industry early on. First, I’d like to give credit to Sheriff Jim Wilson for an article he penned “Guns of the Three Amigos”, as much of the information we will discuss I learned from that article. We will talk about Elmer Keith, Bill Jordan, and Skeeter Skelton. They each played a significant role in shaping the industry as well as gunwriting as we know it today.

Elmer Keith

Born March 8th, 1899, Elmer Keith was really one of the first “gunwriters”. In the 1920’s and 1930’s, Elmer was a ranch hand and big game hunting guide, while simultaneously experimenting with handguns and starting to write about them. His first work appeared in American Rifleman in 1924. He served as a small arms inspector at a Utah arsenal and then in the 1950’s he began to devote his full attention to writing. His trademark hat and cigar were never far away.

Elmer had a large hand in the development of the.44 Magnum, which was released  commercially in 1956. Keith had earlier determined that the thinner chamber walls of the .45 Colt would not comfortably withstand the pressures generated by his own heavy loads. He therefore started experimenting with the .44 Special revolver, and used the same formula of pushing heavy bullets at high velocities that he had used for the .357 Magnum. The resulting ".44 Special Magnum" was a formidable cartridge for handgun hunting, firing a 250 grain bullet at 1,200 ft/s (370 m/s).

Keith encouraged Smith & Wesson and Remington to produce a commercial version of this new high pressure loading, and revolvers chambered for it. While S&W produced the first prototype revolver chambered in .44 Magnum, the famous Model 29, Sturm, Ruger actually beat S&W to market by several months in 1956 with a .44 Magnum version of the single action Blackhawk revolver. In fact Remington delivered a more powerful cartridge than Keith asked for, firing a 240 grain bullet at 1,500 ft/s (460 m/s), and it remained the most powerful production handgun cartridge until the commercial introduction of the .454 Casull (based on the .45 Colt). The .44 Magnum is still far more popular, as the recoil of .454 Casull rounds is considered excessive by most shooters, and revolvers in .454 Casull were rare and expensive until the introduction of .454 Casull models by Sturm, Ruger and Taurus in the late 1990s.

Keith was also responsible for a number of bullet designs still popular today, and collectively called "Keith style" bullets. These bullets were based on the semiwadcutter design, but using a wider than normal front surface, and convex sides. These changes increased the volume of the bullet outside the case, thus allowing more room inside the case, needed for large loads of slower burning powders (see internal ballistics). These bullets remain popular for both target shooting and hunting. When shooting paper targets, they cut a relatively clean hole in the target, yet provide more case volume and a better ballistic coefficient than a flat front wadcutter. When used for hunting, the heavy bullets provide excellent penetration; they are often used on dangerous game, for which more reliable penetration than is possible with expanding hollow point or soft point bullets is required.

Originally Keith specified a meplat that was 65% of the bullet caliber, but later increased it to a 70% meplat. The other distinguishing characteristics of a "Keith-style" SWC are a double radius ogive, beveled crimp groove, three equal width driving bands, wide square bottomed grease groove, and a plain base with sharp corners. The wide forward driving band helps keep the bullet aligned as it jumps across the cylinder gap. Because of the three wide equal width driving bands, the total bearing surface is half the length of the bullet. The relatively large bearing surface helps the Keith-style SWC to be an inherently accurate bullet, and minimizes leading from gas blow-by. The wide square bottom grease groove holds ample lubricant.

Bill Jordan

Born in Louisiana in 1911, Bill Jordan began his career as a U.S. Border Patrol agent in West Texas. Bill became quite proficient with fast draw and the need for fast, accurate shooting in law enforcement situations. Jordan got a combat commission in the Marine Corps and served in the South Pacific in WWII, clearing out enemy pillboxes and caves. This gave Jordan even more experience and cemented the importance of being able to shoot fast and accurately. After Korea, he retired from the U.S. Marine Corps as a Colonel.

Returning to his Border Patrol duties, Jordan began doing a shooting exhibition on the side that he took around the United States. He helped train law enforcement officers, and gained a great deal of knowledge on the subject. In 1954, the President of Smith & Wesson approached Jordan and asked for his thoughts on what the perfect revolver for a law enforcement officer might be. Jordan opined that the revolver should be a medium sized frame, as the larger N frame revolvers could be a bit heavy for all day carry. He also said it should be chambered for the .357 Magnum cartridge and should have adjustable sights so it could be zeroed for whatever load the officer decided to carry. This advice led to the production of the Smith and Wesson Model 19 revolver, probably one of the most popular law enforcement revolvers of the second half of the 20th century.

Jordan is credited with developing the 'Jordan' or 'Border Patrol' style of holster. The Jordan rig is rigid and unmoving, always holding the gunbutt in precisely the same relationship to the gun hand. The revolver’s trigger guard is completely exposed, and the gun is held away from the back portion of the holster by a plug of leather, allowing the trigger finger to enter the guard as the draw is commenced. He also collaborated with Walter Roper in the design of wooden grips intended for heavy-calibre double action revolvers, which are now made by Herrett's Stocks as the "Jordan Trooper".

In the 1960’s, Jordan retired from the Border Patrol and began writing for the gun magazines, becoming the editor of Shooting Times in 1982. He passed away in 1997.

Skeeter Skelton

Skeeter Skelton was born in Texas on May 1st, 1928. Skeeter wore many hats during his long career, including law enforcement in Amarillo, Texas, the U.S. Border Patrol, U.S. Customs Agent and a Texas Sheriff as well as serving in the U.S. Marine Corps. His writing career started in September 1959, and he retired from the D.E.A. in 1974 and began to focus full time on his writing.

Skelton is known for his love of the .44 Special cartridge and is often credited with its resurgence in the handgunning marketplace. Skeeter liked the .44 Magnum cartridge for certain applications such as hunting, but felt it was too much for law enforcement or self defense. As Sheriff Jim Wilson notes, Skelton felt that the .44 Special was as close as it came to a good all-around self defense cartridge, and encouraged people to stick with middle-of-the-road loads for the .44 Special, leaving the more powerful stuff for the .44 Magnum. Wilson also notes that a popular handload is the “Skeeter Skelton Load” of 7.5 grains of Unique under a 250-grain Semi-Wadcutter in .44 Special.

Skelton also had a hand in helping Ruger redesign their Security-Six revolver to make it more appealing to law enforcement, suggesting a slight change in grip shape and a heavier barrel. Wilson also notes that Skelton had a specific design for grips for the revolver. He preferred grips to be very thin so he could get a hard grip on the gun for double-action firing. Skelton joined forces with Bear Hug Grips and the grips were marketed as the “Skeeter Skelton Grips”.

Skelton wrote for many gun magazines, but the longest association was with Shooting Times, for whom he started writing in 1966. Skelton passed away in January of 1988.

Check out darkcanyon.net. A page started by a sass shooter dedicated to these guys and others. You can read many of their articles there. Great reading

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  • Matt where can people find you? Revo-Nation

Until next week, have fun and SAFE SHOOTING!!!!


HGR 036 - Forgotten Weapons with Ian McCollum

HGR 036 - Forgotten Weapons with Ian McCollum

This week, we discuss some of the more strange, obscure or forgotten weapons with special guest Ian McCollum, the proprietor of the Forgotten Weapons website!

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Week in Review:

Ryan:

  • Finally fixed my S&W Model 60! Got the bolt in from Brownells and it is working great again! I also was looking for a boot grip for pocket carry, but didn’t want to spend the money (cheap, I know). I had a pair of Pachmayr Compacs with the pinky rest that I didn’t really care for. With some careful application of the bandsaw, I had a boot grip that is somewhat to my liking now!
  • Also got my new belt in from Aker Leather. It is a really great belt with a polymer strip insert inside of it to make it more rigid when carrying your firearm. So far I am very impressed with the materials and construction of the belt. Look for a review once I have tested it more thoroughly.

Ian:

  • Astra 400 Anarchist Copy

Main Topic: Forgotten Weapons & Strange Handguns

Ian is the owner of the website Forgotten Weapons and runs a great YouTube page as well. We will be discussing his website, along with some of the more strange and weird handguns he’s seen, shot or researched.

General Questions:

  • What got you started collecting/researching firearms?
  • What prompted you to start Forgotten Weapons?

Handguns

  • Jo Lo Ar:
    • Notable Features: Side cocking lever?
  • Schwarloze 1908:
    • Uncommon method of operation, using the ‘blow-forward’ principle rather than the more common blowback.

Anything cool coming up on FW Ian?

Wrap-Up:

  • Visit Forgotten Weapons and also subscribe to Ian’s FW YouTube page!
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  • We are also doing the first ever Handgun Radio giveaway! We have 10 weeks worth of products for this giveaway so the way in which we conduct the contest will vary. We are giving away EDC Tape which was very generously donated by Anthony of the Firearms Radio Network. Anthony states “I came up with EDC tape after I was at a concert with my wife and her sandal broke , I thought if I only had a few inches of tape I could fix it, and the idea was born. I started making them for family and friends and realized it might be worth trying to market a few. Each roll is approx 24" of brand name duck tape. No bigger than a roll of Chapstick. Currently we are producing them in black ,camo ,and  pink. Available is packs of 3 or 5 for $15-$18  at our website Edctape.com”
  • This week’s giveaway and winner will be announced when the podcast version of this has been released. It will be added to the end.
  • THIS WEEKS WINNER IS JEFF HADDOX, ITUNES REVIEWER. Please contact me at ryan@handgunradio.com or via the facebook page to claim your prize!!!

  • Until Next week, have fun and SAFE SHOOTING!!!