Handgun Radio 135 - Handgun Design Disasters Part 4

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This week, Weerd Beard, Daniel Watters and I discuss some handgun designs that flopped!

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Week in Review:

Ryan: Bought Magpul MOE Carbine length foreend for my S&W M&P 15! Really like it. Gives me the ability to mount accessories without having a quadrail.

Saw a Bushmaster Carbon 15….what a monstrosity. Also saw a Vz52. Very cool!

Weerd:  Was checking out a local shop I hadn’t been to before, and look what I found!

http://www.weerdworld.com/2016/megatron-2/

A Walther P38,  been wanting one for ages!

Also my M17S is in the early stages of construction at K&M arms, so I’ll be seeing it soon!

 

Daniel: I think this may be a magazine intended for the Silent Weapon System - Alpha prototypes on display at the Rock Island Arsenal Museum (Items 5810-5813).

https://www.google.com/patents/US3747249


TrackingPoint now has a "precision guided handgun" patent.

http://pdfpiw.uspto.gov/.piw?PageNum=0&docid=09366493&IDKey=6219B2401129%0D%0A&HomeUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fpatft.uspto.gov%2Fnetacgi%2Fnph-Parser%3FSect1%3DPTO1%2526Sect2%3DHITOFF%2526d%3DPALL%2526p%3D1%2526u%3D%25252Fnetahtml%25252FPTO%25252Fsrchnum.htm%2526r%3D1%2526f%3DG%2526l%3D50%2526s1%3D9%2C366%2C493.PN.%2526OS%3DPN%2F9%2C366%2C493%2526RS%3DPN%2F9%2C366%2C493

Drink Segment: Mint Julep: https://youtu.be/wc7L52omwbU

The key is the Lewis Bag

https://www.amazon.com/Lewis-Ice-Bag-1-11/dp/B009PQ5MWQ/ref=sr_1_4?ie=UTF8&qid=1467591368&sr=8-4&keywords=lewis+bag

You can use a blender, or put the ice in a ziplock bag, but the canvas makes a dryer ice that’s awesome.

A little sugar, some fresh mint, shake and strain into a glass FILLED with the crushed ice for a chilly refreshing drink.

Main Topic: Handgun Design Disasters Part Four

We have done a few of these episodes before, but not in this much detail. Daniel deserves all the credit for researching and setting up these categories and guns!

We are going break this up into multiple categories:
a) Guns that were unpopular and didn't sell ()

b) Guns that didn't work, or work reliably ()

c) Guns where the basic concept didn't fly ()

d) Guns that just never got off the ground for legal reasons ()

e) Guns that just never got off the ground for business or technical reasons ()

FYI: The three previous episodes concerning this topic can be found here. http://firearmsradio.tv/handgun-radio/?tag=design

http://firearmsradio.tv/handgun-radio/handgun-radio-129-handgun-flops-part-three


Arsenal Strike One

https://www.google.com/patents/US20140196337

Bren Ten  (The Bren Ten saga deserves its own episode.)
http://www.bren-ten.com/website/index.html

https://www.google.com/patents/US4726136

Browning HP-DA / BDA9
http://world.guns.ru/handguns/hg/be/fn-browning-hp-da-bda9-e.html

https://www.google.com/patents/US4420899
https://www.google.com/patents/EP0050379A1

Browning BDM and BDR

https://youtu.be/D-8b8sN0LH4
 

CAC 45-1 Combat Model / AIG Military Combat Model
http://www.forgottenweapons.com/other-handguns/mossbergcac-45/

Caracal C
https://www.google.com/patents/US7500327

Colt Double Eagle
https://youtu.be/cHFWhgI0XbA
http://www.thegunzone.com/gunwriter.html

Colt Survivor  
http://www.mythicarmory.com/colt-survivor.html

Detonics Pocket 9
https://youtu.be/EpDHL9e4VaM

Kimber Solo (Still on their webpage)
https://www.google.com/patents/USD654978
https://www.google.com/search?tbo=p&tbm=pts&hl=en&q=inassignee:%22Kimber+Ip,+Llc%22#hl=en&tbs=sbdo:1&tbm=pts&q=ininventor:%22Yury+Karfiol%22+Kimber

Remington R51
http://www.gunsholstersandgear.com/2015/09/18/more-delays-remington-r51/

Rogak P18
http://www.securityarms.com/20010315/galleryfiles/3000/3049.htm
http://americanhandgunner.com/1979issues/HJA79.pdf#page=40


Ruger Hawkeye

http://www.rugertalk.com/Rugers-wheelgun-that-Didnt-The-single-shot-256-Hawkeye-Ruger-talk.html

https://www.google.com/patents/US3142924


Ruger Maximum
https://www.shootingillustrated.com/articles/2010/10/28/ruger-357-maximum/

Smith & Wesson Model 73
http://smith-wessonforum.com/s-w-revolvers-1961-1980/180220-c-frame-model-73-a.html

https://www.google.com/patents/US3874104

Smith & Wesson Model 547
http://cosmolineandrust.blogspot.com/2007/11/sunday-smith-22-model-547-1982.html

https://www.google.com/patents/US4127955

https://www.google.com/patents/US4221065


Smith & Wesson’s Single Stack Sigmas (SW380 and SW9M)
https://www.google.com/patents/US5566487

https://www.google.com/patents/US5717156
https://www.google.com/patents/USD377513

Smith & Wesson’s FBI-issue 1076
http://www.bren-ten.com/website/id55.html

http://gunhub.com/gun-talk/1012-s-w-1076-a.html#post5524

https://www.google.com/patents/US5086579


Smith & Wesson’s NJSP-issue SW99
http://hkp7.com/NJSP.htm


Smith & Wesson Models 242Ti and 296Ti

http://www.chuckhawks.com/s-w_M242.htm

http://cosmolineandrust.blogspot.com/2008/02/sunday-smith-36-model-296-1999.html

Vektor CP1
https://youtu.be/l9rhNQZ-erg


Weatherby Mark V Silhouette Pistol
http://www.icollector.com/Rare-Weatherby-Mark-V-Silhouette-Bolt-Action-Pistol-with-Case-Serial-Number-8_i9386271


Wilson Combat ADP
https://www.google.com/patents/US5179233

 

Wilson Combat KZ45
http://www.handgunsmag.com/reviews/featured_handguns_wilsonkz45_032807/

https://www.google.com/patents/US7010878

Wilson Combat Spec-Ops 9
https://www.shootingillustrated.com/articles/2010/10/1/wilson-combat-spec-ops-9/

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