Handgun Radio 129 - Handgun Flops Part Three

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This week, Weerd Beard, Daniel Watters and I discuss some handgun designs that flopped!

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Week in Review:

Ryan: -Checked out a local company to me, RPS Tactical. The owner Rob and his associates make some great products including an innovative holster system that uses industrial strength velcro and it holds it very securely.

Weerd: Not a whole lot.  I was doing some yard work, but I was carrying my LCR in my pocket, not in an ankle holster and shorts like TJ.

Daniel:  It looks like Big Horn Armory is about to branch into pistols.  They have filed a patent application for a Southpaw-friendly M1911 that accepts standard M1911 magazines.  The slide stop and magazine release remain in the standard position.  However, the ejector, extractor, and ejection port have been relocated to the opposite sides of the frame and slide.

http://pdfaiw.uspto.gov/.aiw?PageNum=0&docid=20160109207&IDKey=3DA1C54F05E6&HomeUrl=http%3A%2F%2Fappft.uspto.gov%2Fnetacgi%2Fnph-Parser%3FSect1%3DPTO1%2526Sect2%3DHITOFF%2526d%3DPG01%2526p%3D1%2526u%3D%25252Fnetahtml%25252FPTO%25252Fsrchnum.html%2526r%3D1%2526f%3DG%2526l%3D50%2526s1%3D%25252220160109207%252522.PGNR.%2526OS%3DDN%2F20160109207%2526RS%3DDN%2F2016010920

I also rediscovered a neat webpage concerning the early days of the FBI.  Of particular interest is the section concerning gunsmith Hyman S. Lebman and the converted M1911 machinepistols he made for Baby Face Nelson and John Dillinger.

http://historicalgmen.squarespace.com/gun-dealer-h-s-lebman-dilling/
 

Drink Segment: Frontlines Shockfrost Cocktail By Marko Kloos

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Main Topic: Handgun Design Disasters Part Three

We have done a few of these episodes before, but not in this much detail. Daniel deserves all the credit for researching and setting up these categories and guns, and we have so many that there will be a Part Four sometime after NRA show!!!

We are going break this up into multiple categories:
a) Guns that were unpopular and didn't sell (Beretta 9000, Beretta 90-Two)

b) Guns that didn't work, or work reliably (Colt All-American 2000, Kimball Arms .30 Carbine)

c) Guns where the basic concept didn't fly (COP Derringer, S&W Model 53)

d) Guns that just never got off the ground for legal reasons (Colt Pocket 9 & Colt Pony)

e) Guns that just never got off the ground for business or technical reasons (Kimber KPD, Mitchell Alpha)

FYI: The two previous episodes concerning this topic can be found here. http://firearmsradio.tv/handgun-radio/?tag=design
 

Beretta 90-Two
http://www.beretta90two.com/


Beretta 9000
http://pistol-training.com/archives/6305/

https://www.google.com/patents/US6363831
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Giorgetto_Giugiaro

Colt AA2000
https://www.forgottenweapons.com/colt-all-american-2000-video/
https://www.google.com/patents/US5024139

https://www.google.com/patents/US5050480

https://www.google.com/patents/US5050481

https://www.google.com/patents/US5058301

https://www.google.com/patents/US5086578

https://www.google.com/patents/US5127310

https://www.google.com/patents/US5259138

https://www.google.com/patents/US5271312


Colt Pocket Nine
https://youtu.be/rLv1_TYABNI

https://www.google.com/patents/USD387841

https://www.google.com/patents/US5815973

https://www.google.com/patents/US6000162

Colt Pony (the rebadged Star DK)
http://star-firearms.com/firearms/guns/d/

https://www.google.com/patents/US4021955


COP Derringer

https://youtu.be/XwJJ3FMateU
https://www.google.com/?tbm=pts&gws_rd=ssl#tbm=pts&q=inassignee:%22Cop,+Inc.%22

Kimball Arms pistol
http://www.rockislandauction.com/viewitem/aid/55/lid/816
http://www.gunsmagazine.com/1958issues/G1058.pdf#page=48

https://www.google.com/patents/US2781697

https://www.google.com/patents/US2846926

https://www.google.com/patents/US2870562

Kimber KPD

https://www.google.com/patents/US7353742

https://www.google.com/patents/US7987763


Mitchell Alpha

https://www.google.com/patents/US5533291

Smith & Wesson Model 53
http://cosmolineandrust.blogspot.com/2007/10/sunday-smith-17-model-53-2-1974.html

https://www.google.com/patents/US3136084

Wrap-Up:

Until Next Week, Have Fun and Safe Shooting!!!!!!