Zack and Jake celebrate the podcasts one year anniversary and talk with Lane about the guns of the Indian Wars.
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This week on GGR: (sneak peek of what we’re talking about this episode)
Week in Review:
- Jake shout out to donations David and Jason. Working with Greg from Roku
- Zack- Reached out to Charter Arms again. Got tracking number for XS sights,
- found a secret compartment in my house, organized my gun room a bit.
- Mike: Abby just had her epidural....horraayyy!!! Cool...
Looking back segment
Main Topic: Guns of the Indian Wars Lane Douglas from Tennessee retired engineer, gun collector and history enthusist
The Indian War period of U S history would be the period of about 1867 to 1895. • The Army had been reduced by Congress to only 25,000 men. the officers were West Point graduates, enlisted men were very different, men born in America just did not serve, so the Army was a place where immigrants found work. • Over a million muskets, 60,000 Sharps rifles, 12,000 Spencer rifles, and 94,000 Spencer carbines. Pistols of many types, with Colt the primary supplier. The Civil War had been an opportunity for development of many gun companies, along with development of breechloaders, metallic cartridges, and multi shot long arms and handguns. • The primary weapons of the Indian War were the Springfield Trapdoor rifle and carbine in 45-70, and Model 1873 Colt revolver in 45 caliber • In 1867, the Cavalry of the US Army was armed with the Spencer carbine, and the Colt conversions of various types. 5 years later of testing, the Springfield TD, Colt 1873, and .45 caliber bullet were chosen. • The Indians had whatever they could steal, buy, trade for, or otherwise obtain. Remington, Henry, Winchester, Spencer, Sharps, and Springfield breechloaders, and many types of muzzle loaders. Indian use doubles or more the modern day value. • Springfield Armory produced the Trapdoor rifle and carbine for over 20 years until replaced in 1895. • compare the TD to the AR today. Sights, different methods of holding the cartridges, compartments in the butt stock, pistol grips, shotgun versions, Officer models, Sporting models, Cadet versions, used at West Point, the Naval Academy. • 600,000 were produced, 140,000 have survived, and are in the hands of collectors today. They were very well built, and most of those still around are safe to shoot. One can purchase a TD rifle for about $1000, or a carbine for $1800, and at that price expect to shoot the rifle or carbine. Wall hangers can be found for much less.
• Colt made a name for itself in the Civil War, producing both handguns and rifles. As metallic cartridges were perfected, the Model 1873 “gun that won the west” was designed and produced. It won the contract over Smith & Wesson for an initial order of 8000 Model 1873 Colt at the price of $13 each. By the end of the contract, in 1890, 37,060 Colts had been produced. • The collector market for the Colt pistol is strong and much better documented than the market for the Trapdoor. 37,000 Colts vs almost 600,000 Trapdoors, • Marksmanship—1875--to become a marksman in the 1875 Army the Trooper had to place 16 out of 20 shots in a 27” target………at 800 yards………….with open sights. • Books and websites o “The .45-70 Springfield” volume 1 & 2, by Albert J Frasca o “The .45-70 Springfield” by Joe Poyer & Craig Riesch o “The .58- and .50- Caliber Rifles & Carbines of the Springfield Armory” by Richard Hosmer o www.trapdoorcollector.com o “A Study of the Colt Single Action Army Revolver” by Ron Graham, John Kopec, and C. Kenneth Moore o “A History of the Colt Revolver” by Charles Haven and Frank Belden o “Colt, An American Legend” by R. L. Wilson o www.johnakopec.com o www.colt49.com
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I live in Chester, England so it's interesting to follow your current gun ownership debate. I've been shooting and reloading for over 30 years and have followed US gun news all that time. You must remain resolute, and don't let Washington interfere with your Second Amendment rights.
Do you know how less free we are here? You need a police-authorised Firearm Certificate in order to buy firearms. Each type and calibre needs to specified on your licence in advance. That's how it has been for many decades, but we then lost semi-auto centre-fire rifles in the 1980s and centre-fire & rimfire pistols & revolvers in 1997.
We can now only own centre-fire rifles if they're bolt or lever action or single shot (I have a Marlin 1894c and am buying a Lee Enfield #4, 303 soon. I had a BSA sporting rifle in 308 for many years and shouldn't have sold it - it was a sub MOA rifle!).
Rimfire semi-autos rifles are still permitted (so I have a 10/22). The only handguns we can own are muzzle loaders and cap-and-ball revolvers. We can obtain pistols which are technically carbines - with a minimum barrel length of 30cm (11.8") and an minimum overall length of 60cm (23.6"). So they either have a shoulder stock or 'stabilising rod' attached to the frame. Not much fun, when you've been used to full-on IPSC matches as I was.
When the pistol ban came in here in '97, I had to hand in: a 1911 (Colt Series 70 in 45ACP), S&W 686, S&W 10 and a Browning 1910 in 32ACP. A sad day indeed.
So - keep up the good work if you're going to stop the gun banners doing the same in your country. Just keep in mind how restrictive it can get!
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