God and Guns 155 - Orlando

On this week's show we will be about the Democrat Islamic Mass Murderer in Orlando.


God and Guns Podcast Episode 155 - Orlando

Intro: Welcome back to Episode 155 of the God and Guns Podcast. I’m your host, Troy. (Doug) And I’m your other host, Doug. (Troy) We use this podcast to talk about God, guns, and the responsible Christian gun owners interests. On this week's show we will be about the Democrat Islamic Mass Murderer in Orlando.

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This Week's God and Gun activities:
God: Been doing my daily devotional, Piper and sportsman daily devotional. Church on Sunday.
Guns: EDC. Been trying to do some horse trading this week. I picked up 400 rounds of AR and also got a box of .22. I bought a AR Lower and about to start building it. Fixing to order a lower kit and a velocity trigger. Headed to the range in the morning with some co workers who what to go and shoot.

God: Reading Through the bible in a year ESV Bible App or at Bible.com, Got to watch the video and pull security in our children's building last Sunday. Read the three book series
Guns: EDC, Dillon cranking out some 10MM and 45ACP ammo. I also picked up primers and Powder. I have been shooting the G19 Suarez with the RMR. I’ve been shooting the can cannon. Joined the Veteran FOB as a life member after last weeks show.  

Comedy Corner
You Might Love Guns if…
-----you have ever loaded a drawer up with so much ammo that you can't open it.
-----when someone asks how many guns you have, you have to think about it for a minute
-----you have ever bought ammo in a caliber that none of your guns fire
-----the guns you took to the range cost more then your car
-----you carry a different gun every day of the week
-----whenever you can't decide which gun to get, you get both
-----you get your wife/girlfriend to wear Hoppes 9 instead of her usual perfume.
-----you take so many guns to the range and don't shoot half of them.
-----you have an extra room in your house just for ammo and guns.

Listener Feedback
Doug and Troy,

I just wanted to reach out to you guys and thank you for what you guys are doing. It really is a breath of fresh air in the society around us to hear you guys talking about the gospel and also about Christian gun ownership. I just stumbled onto this podcast recently, so I have been playing catch up on recent episodes.

I am sure you took care of this Troy (I think it was Troy), one of your listeners must have queued you in. You mentioned on your Gen4 Glock the back-strap not staying on. I think you’re not installing it right. In the back of the grip there is a small pin that you need to push out, and when you install the back-strap on, you then push in the larger pin in that was supplied with the pistol. Hope this helps. I really enjoy the Gen4 models due to the changeable backstrap. Once the larger pin is installed it shouldn't be an issue.

I wanted to help you guys out with a joke, like I said I am recent listener so you might have heard this one already.

A pastor decides to miss church on Sunday to go bear hunting with some friends one weekend. The guilt of missing service is really bothering him throughout the drive. While walking down a road on the side of a hill a huge bear jumps out. The pastor loses his balance and falls downhill. When he stops at the bottom of the hill his leg is badly damaged so he cannot get up and run. The bear is now running downhill full speed towards him. The pastor starts praying "Lord I know I shouldn't have missed service today, please forgive me. I will never miss another service to go hunting again, please put your hand on this bear and still his rage." The bear halts to a stop just before the pastor, kneels down and prays "Please Lord bless this food you have given me".

I look forward to more episodes. My local church is Midlothian Bible Church in Midlothian,TX an hour south of Dallas. If you guys are ever coming down this way, we have a great local range and tons of guns. Let me know. Keep spreading the word.

Daniel LeRoy

A friend of mine is a missionary in Africa. His little 4 year old daughter became worried that there wouldn't be anyone for her to marry when the time came. She worried about it all the time for a week. Finally she had an idea. She said, daddy, will you marry me? To make his little girl happy he said ok honey, daddy will marry you. Now happy at last she planned the big day as only a 4 year old can.

Everything was set, they all dressed up and daddy was going to perform the wedding as well as be in it. When the time came he looked at his daughter and said now it's time for the wedding vows. Without missing a beat she yelled out, A,E,I,O,U.

The wedding was over.


Rusty Frederick

Jeff Schultz

Hi Troy and Doug - I have been listening to the show for about six months now and wanted to drop you guys a line and say thank you for the work that you do each week in producing the podcast.

I also wanted to take the time to thank you for helping to encourage me to get back into shooting and gun ownership and share a bit of my story with you guys.

I got into duck hunting and trap shooting when I was in junior high years ago, but fell away from hunting and shooting when I went through some tough times during high school and my early twenties.

When I was thirty, I came to Christ. During the first few years of my walk, I simply enjoyed the newness of spiritual growth and tended to avoid processing the tougher issues of ethics and faith. Now that I’m more mature, I am revisiting my thoughts on many things.

I grew up always wanting to serve in the military, but had an injury and a medical condition that kept me out of the service. Not being able to serve was actually what caused me to turn away from God back in high school. I sometimes struggle with regret for not serving when so many of my generation served us with great honor in Afghanistan and Iraq.

The more and more I’ve struggled with this, I began to have some dark spots and doubts in my faith. Anyway, I heard about the book “A Time to Kill: The Myth of Christian Pacifism” by Greg Hopkins from you guys a while back. It has been very helpful in integrating my beliefs about military service, gun ownership, and self-defense ethics with my relationship with Jesus. Thank you for having Greg on the show!

After eighteen years of not shooting, I was re-introduced to guns last fall by my wife’s cousin who is a police officer. Now at the age of thirty six and having just received the precious gift our first daughter, I’ve begun to seriously consider my role as protector of my family.

A mentor from church and I recently completed our CCW class at Bill’s Gun Shop in Robbinsdale, MN. I rented a pistol from the range to complete the class, and am saving up money whenever I can towards the purchase of my first pistol and to pay for the CCW permit fees. (I’m leaning towards a G19; by the way - nice MOS build Troy!) With our new daughter and mine and my wife’s student loans, things are tight, so I’m also working on a side business to help pay for ammo, range time, and some training classes.

The business is called Cross & Dot Optics and will be an online retailer of Red Dots, Scopes, and shooting accessories. The name was inspired a bit by Crossbreed Holsters and a word I got years ago to start ‘Kingdom ventures’. I’m still looking for ideas to integrate the Kingdom connection for this business, but right now I’m leaning towards allocating a portion of the profits to veterans ministries.

In the beginning I just hope to serve the shooting community, police and military with excellent customer service and a great online user experience to make shopping for optics simple and easy. The site is under construction and will launch later this summer, but I’ve started the store’s Instagram account @crossndotoptics to keep folks up-to-date. For now I am curating a feed of the Internet’s best optics equipped pistols, rifles, carbines and shotgun images.

Again, I want to thank you guys for your work. Keep up the great podcast and I hope you guys are able to get your T-Shirt store up and running sometime soon.


Weekly Bible Verses
13 All your children shall be taught by the Lord, and great shall be the peace of your children. 14 In righteousness you shall be established; you shall be far from oppression, for you shall not fear; and from terror, for it shall not come near you. 15 If anyone stirs up strife, it is not from me; whoever stirs up strife with you shall fall because of you. 16 Behold, I have created the smith who blows the fire of coals and produces a weapon for its purpose. I have also created the ravager to destroy; 17 no weapon that is fashioned against you shall succeed, and you shall refute every tongue that rises against you in judgment. This is the heritage of the servants of the Lord and their vindication from me, declares the Lord." Proverbs 6:13-17 (ESV)

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Main Topic
A Life of Violent Threats Paved Way for Orlando Attack

Again and again for much of his life, Omar Mateen let people know he was a violent, dangerous person capable of murder. Repeatedly, he wiggled out of trouble, distracting officials with a beguiling charm, a feigned stupidity or some other tactic.

A look at Mateen’s troubled life, based on interviews with officials and people who knew him, as well as documents, reveals that on at least a dozen occasions, beginning when he was in grade school, he gave clues in a public setting that he was capable of mayhem.

At age 14, he said he could shoot an AK-47 and mimicked an airplane flying into the World Trade Center. At 26, he bragged to courthouse co-workers of terrorist ties. Weeks ago, at 29, Mateen sought to buy heavy-duty body armor and bulk ammunition.

Many of his violent outbursts aped or celebrated Islamic terrorism and he repeatedly claimed connections to known terrorists, including the Boston Marathon bombers. He cheered the 9/11 attacks on the day they happened and once threatened to shoot partygoers at a barbecue when pork, which is forbidden to Muslims, touched his hamburger.

There doesn’t appear to be a moment when Mateen’s political extremism and religious zealotry kicked into high gear. Rather, this appears to be a case of slow, steady intensification.

Law-enforcement officials say he became radicalized online yet key facts remain unknown about what drove him to launch a terror attack. Officials are probing what his wife knew about his plans. Investigators are scrutinizing Mateen’s communications and travel history to detail any direct or indirect influence he might have had with terror networks.

Central Intelligence Agency Director John Brennan on Thursday called the Orlando massacre part of a pattern of attacks Islamic State is trying to encourage by “sympathizers who have no direct links to the group.”

Twice during his adult life, Mateen’s actions prompted probes by the Federal Bureau of Investigation. Agents concluded he didn’t pose an immediate threat.

Robert Zirkle, who knew him through school in 2001, said: “We joked that he’d become a terrorist. And then he did.”

On Sunday, he went into an Orlando nightclub, murdered 49 people and injured 53, and claimed the moment for Islamic State.

Mateen’s story cuts to the heart of the worst scenario for domestic law enforcement and policy makers. While he hadn’t committed a crime as an adult, his record was replete with incidents that troubled those around him.

Early Sunday, the trail of threats culminated with the massacre Mateen had in a sense been foretelling for almost two decades, raising troubling questions in particular for the FBI and his most recent employer, G4S Secure Solutions.

FBI director James Comey said this week he doesn’t think the FBI should have done anything differently in its earlier probes, though it is conducting a far-reaching review to see what the FBI may have misjudged. G4S, a British security firm, said in a statement two screenings it conducted of Mateen found nothing disqualifying.

After each disturbing eruption of anger, Mateen always danced just out of reach of those who could have stopped him. He hopped from school to school, job to job. Paper records were drawn up, notice was taken but little seemed to follow him.

Omar Mateen’s trouble began early. He was disciplined at school 31 times between 1992 and 1999, for reasons including hitting another student, school records show. He was constantly demanding attention, either as a goofball or a bully, regularly wearing a gym shirt in high school emblazoned with his name, “O. Mateen,” classmates said.

Kathleen Zurich, who said she taught Mateen in fourth and fifth grade, characterized him as a bully who called classmates “ugly” or “gay” and painted himself as a victim—but had a softer side. “That’s the scary part,” she said. “There was a nice side of him that you can see, and yet he can be so nasty. Almost like a Dr. Jekyll and Hyde personality.”

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At a barbecue in the spring of 2007, Mateen erupted when his hamburger touched a piece of pork, something he considered a religious affront. He told the class he ought to kill all of them, recalled Susanne Coburn Laforest, 61, who attended the barbecue as a trainee. Mateen told his classmates not to laugh at him because this was serious and “was going to come back and shoot us,” she said.

Not long after, Mateen was sitting in his car in the parking lot as classes were about to resume, when authorities swarmed the auto and escorted him off the property. An official told cadets Mateen had threatened to bring a gun on campus, according to Clinton Custar, who was attending the academy at the time and saw the incident from a classroom window.

This was the same month Seung-Hui Cho killed 32 at Virginia Polytechnic Institute, and Mateen threatened to carry out a similar massacre at the police academy because he felt like he was being taunted for being Muslim, said a fellow cadet.

Robert Lane, a spokesman for the school, now Indian River State College, said it had no record that Mateen was involved in disciplinary actions or had interactions with campus security. Mateen was released from the academy in April 2007 when his employment with the Department of Corrections ended, he said.

How the Orlando Shooting Unfolded


Mateen was hired by G4S, essentially working as a security guard. People who encountered him for a few minutes each day at various sites described him as jovial and pleasant. But in a video that surfaced this week, showing Mateen in 2010 at a gate to the BP PLC cleanup site, he again expresses grievance, albeit calmly.

Grandiose boasts about terrorist ties, when he was 26, put Mateen on the FBI’s radar. He was starting to spook co-workers at the St. Lucie County Courthouse, where he was a security guard. Colleagues reported Mateen was bragging about knowing people in al Qaeda and claiming he was a Hezbollah member. He told co-workers he knew associates of the Tsarnaev brothers, who had bombed the Boston Marathon that year, according to the complaints.

“The FBI is very eager to find out” about his motives, “even if it is a very complicated and conflicting set of motivations,” said Rep. Adam Schiff (D., Calif.), the top Democrat on the House Intelligence Committee.

Several weeks ago, Mateen walked into Lotus Gunworks of South Florida. He acted strange, said store co-owner Robbie Abell, asking for heavy-duty body armor and bulk ammunition. He “just seemed very odd,” Mr. Abell said. The store didn’t stock body armor and refused to sell him bulk ammunition.

Mateen moved along, as he had on other occasions when he incurred suspicion or fear. He found what he was looking for somewhere else.

—Charles Passy, Josh Mitchell, Laura Stevens, Jon Kamp and Jennifer Calfas contributed to this article.


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Homeowner on Detroit's west side shoots intruder, shares his story with 7 Action News

DETROIT (WXYZ) - It was a harrowing encounter on Detroit’s west side, when a homeowner shot the intruder who was holding him and his wife at gunpoint. It happened before 6:00 Monday night at a home off Beaverland Rd. near Eaton. Detroit police said two men ordered the homeowner and his wife into their house and then into the basement. Daniel McNamara is the homeowner. He told his incredible story only to 7 Action News.

"He kept telling us to turn around, I said 'No, I'm not going to turn around,' I said 'You've got to kill me face to face',” said McNamara. He said the suspects wanted him and his wife to turn around so they wouldn’t remember their faces. During the home invasion, the suspects took both of the McNamara’s wedding rings, her purse, cash and cell phones.

"He kept pointing the gun at my head and said, 'You don't think I'll kill you face to face?' I said 'I don't know, but you're going to have to because I'm not turning around',” said McNamara. He said he happened to have a gun stashed in the same area the suspects were holding the pair at gunpoint. "All I could think about, how can I get that gun,” said McNamara. He took his opportunity when one of the suspects said he would be right back and turned around and headed toward the stairs. "Of course I was scared, who wouldn't be? Some goon has a gun to your head and tells you he's going to shoot you because you've seen his face,” said McNamara.

He fired off two shots and hit one of the suspects once. Both of the suspect’s ran away very fast, McNamara believes there was likely a car waiting. One of the suspects turned up at the hospital and the second suspect is still on the run.

"The Lord looked out for us today,” said McNamara. Police continued to search the neighborhood for hours, but came up empty handed.

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