GNG 054 - To Draw or Not To Draw..

Great_train_robbery_stillDoug and Troy talk about “At What Point Do You Draw Your Weapon” God and Guns Podcast Episode 054 - To Draw or Not To Draw, That is the question.

Intro: Welcome back to the God and Guns Podcast. I’m your host, Troy.  (Doug) And I’m your other host, Doug. We use this podcast to talk about God, guns, and the responsible Christian gun owners interests. Bandwidth Sponsor: Firearms Radio Network

Comedy Corner:

A kindergarten teacher was walking around observing her classroom of children while they were drawing   pictures. As she got to one girl who was working diligently, she asked what the drawing was.

The girl replied, "I'm drawing God." The teacher paused and said, "But no one knows what God looks like." Without looking up from her drawing, the girl replied, "They will in a minute."

A little boy was sitting on a corner with a box of puppies as Barrack Obama was jogging by. The president stopped and asked the boy what kind of puppies he had, The little by replied, “they are Democrat puppies”. Not wanting to miss a photo op, the president said he would meet the boy same time the next day to check on the puppies. Next Day he gathered as many reporters as he could to jog with him. As they rounded the corner there was the little boy with the puppies. The president stopped and asked what kind of puppies are those. The little boy replied “ they are Republican puppies.” the president baffled said, yesterday they were Democrat puppies what happened. The little boy looked up and replied, Yes but today they have their eyes open.

Listener Email:

Erick Menendez Heading: Great Show

Good morning: I just wanted to tell you all hello from Louisville and let you know that you have a great show going. I've been listening to the show for a while and it's probably one of the best out there.

So keep up the good work! Regards, EM

----------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------From: Ben Arisman Hey Troy and Doug,

I have been with you guys from the very first episode! I love every episode and really appreciate your time spent in the Word and it's applications to today...even those passages for the Old Testament. I studied Hebrew in college and was blown away by studying the Old Testament. Unfortunately I think too many Christian today disregard just how applicable the old Testament can be, not to mention how incredible it is to see how every passage of the OT points to Christ!

I am a back country boy from the hills of Pennsylvania but I currently work on a university campus in bio medical research and am unable to carry while at work. Any time I am not at work I carry my Springfield XD9 in a Galco IWB holster.

I struggle with knowing whether or not I would draw my gun in defense of my own life, being fully assured that if I die I would be with The Lord. That being said, I chose to carry daily in order to be able to defend those who either can't or choose not to defend themselves if the situation leaves no other alternatives. Maybe this is something that could be discussed in a future episode, as a Christian, when is it acceptable to draw (if there are no other alternatives) and is it ever better to lay down ones own life?

Another suggestion may be to interview religious leaders who carry, especially in light of the huge success of the "church carry" episode. My father-in-law is the district superintendent for the Christian and Missionary Alliance Church denomination in western Pennsylvania. He doesn't carry on his person all the time but he usually has a firearms close by (usually a .44 mag desert eagle). He is also an avid hunter and outdoors-man. If you would be interested I can ask him or send you his contact info. You by no means would have to use him but if you were interested I thought he could give you a place to start.

Thanks for all the hard work you put into the show! Gun are good but God is great!

Ben Arisman

Troy throws out the challenge to have a panel of Pistol Packing Preachers


Brandon Subject: My situation...

Hey guys I have been listening to the podcast for a while and I hear your testimony of faith and I don't have that kind of story. I have been in church since I can remember and have recently found my way back to Christ and am going to church twice a week after a hiatus due to differences with a church when I went to college. I am in a situation at work where there is a lot of sexual comments and what not. I find myself angry and having meltdowns at home. Also I find myself cursing more and I am not liking who I am becoming. I have tried to change my situation but the jobs are not here. I pray and read my devotions looking for guidance but I don't know what to do. I don't know if the devil is testing my faith or if I am just having a rough go at it. Any guidance would be appreciated. Keep up the great work guys!!

Weekly Bible Verse:

Response to Brandon, Take heart, I have been where you are many times as God worked on me through the years. I too was raised in the church and was active in programs and missions. I was saved at an early age and through my high school years I found myself becoming more worldly. When I went off to college, I became completely worldly without my family and church families eyes on me. Although when I would come home to visit I went to church, and I even attended a church near my college; my soul was in total rebellion to God. Oddly we always think we are fooling people or covering our tracks, but our thoughts are what God judges.

Conviction: You and I are just like Paul when he confessed the guilt he had over his own sin life. Roman 7:15-19 “For I do not understand my own actions. For I do not do what I want, but I do the very thing I hate.  Now if I do what I do not want, I agree with the law, that it is good.  So now it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me.  For I know that nothing good dwells in me, that is, in my flesh. For I have the desire to do what is right, but not the ability to carry it out.  For I do not do the good I want, but the evil I do not want is what I keep on doing.  Now if I do what I do not want, it is no longer I who do it, but sin that dwells within me.” (ESV)

Take Captive every thought: My dilemma was Jesus was my "savior" but not my "Lord". I had to learn the painful and hard way that Jesus wants all of me. That begins with taking captive our thoughts. As Paul said in:

2 Corinthians 10:5 “We destroy arguments and every lofty opinion raised against the knowledge of God, and take every thought captive to obey Christ.” The whole chapter 10 is great to meditate on. The more I have had to battle sin the more God has revealed to me that it was not my friends, music, outside influences that caused me to sin. It was I wanted to sin, I was not a good person, I was the cause of my sin. We cannot do anything good apart from Christ.

Submission: So Brandon, I think you are on the right track. You are convicted of your sin, and seem repentant, and you want to stop going back to the same sin. So I believe the Holy Spirit is at work convicting you. My recommendation is first make sure that you have accepted Jesus as your “Lord” and are dying to yourself Daily (hourly, by the minute). See Luke 9: 23-26 “And he said to all,  “If anyone would come after me, let him deny himself and  take up his cross  daily and follow me. For whoever would save his life will lose it, but whoever loses his life for my sake will save it. For what does it profit a man if he gains the whole world and loses or forfeits himself? For whoever is ashamed of me and of my words, of him will the Son of Man be ashamed  when he comes in  his glory and the glory of the Father and of  the holy angels.. “ (ESV)

Dying to self: Remember part of that dying to self is also giving God all your concerns, issues, and emotions. We are to totally submit our will to God’s, so we are to give him everything else. See Matthew 11:28-30 Come to Me, all you who labor and are heavy-laden  and  overburdened, and I will cause you to rest. [I will ease and relieve and refresh your souls.]  Take My yoke upon you and learn of Me, for I am gentle (meek) and humble (lowly) in heart, and you will find rest (relief and ease and refreshment and recreation and blessed quiet) for your souls. [Jer. 6:16.]  For My yoke is wholesome (useful, good–not harsh, hard, sharp, or pressing, but comfortable, gracious, and pleasant), and My burden is light  and  easy to be borne. (AMP)  also Psalm 55:22 “Cast your burden on the Lord [releasing the weight of it] and He will sustain you; He will never allow the [consistently] righteous to be moved (made to slip, fall, or fail). [I Pet. 5:7.]  But You, O God, will bring down the wicked into the pit of destruction; men of blood and treachery shall not live out half their days. But I will trust in, lean on, and confidently rely on You.” (AMP)

Scripture: Devotions are okay, but you need to make sure you are reading the whole scripture, or listen to it. You can do this on audio, video, or just by reading it.

Hosea 4:6 “My people are destroyed for lack of knowledge;  because you have rejected knowledge, I reject you from being a priest to me. And since you have forgotten the law of your God,  I also will forget your children.”

Psalm 119:11-12 “Your word have I laid up in my heart, that I might not sin against You. Blessed are You, O Lord; teach me Your statutes.” (ESV)

Continue in your prayer: Pray that God would reveal himself through the scriptures and that he would help you to resist sin. I pray this daily. The more you seek God the more he reveals himself. Matthew 7:7-8 “Ask, and it will be given to you; seek, and you will find; knock, and it will be opened to you. For everyone who asks receives, and the one who seeks finds, and to the one who knocks it will be opened.” (ESV)

Flee from Evil: As far as cursing, I noticed when I hung around people who cussed, or watched programs and movies with cursing; I was more likely to say it too. If people around you are talking in appropriately, pray that God would close their mouths as he did for Daniel in the lion’s den. When a bad conversation starts up walk away, if that is not possible, change the subject or start asking for prayer request. Pray for them and start asking about them and their families and issues. Show God’s love because apart from God’s intervention we would be just like them. 2 Timothy 2:21-26 “Therefore, if anyone cleanses himself from what is dishonorable, he will be a vessel for honorable use, set apart as holy, useful to the master of the house, ready for every good work. So flee youthful passions and pursue righteousness, faith, love, and peace, along with those who call on the Lord from a pure heart.  Have nothing to do with foolish, ignorant controversies; you know that they breed quarrels.  And the Lord’s servant must not be quarrelsome but kind to everyone, able to teach, patiently enduring evil,  correcting his opponents with gentleness. God may perhaps grant them repentance leading to a knowledge of the truth,  and they may come to their senses and escape from the snare of the devil, after being captured by him to do his will.” (ESV)

Philippians 4:8-9 “For the rest, brethren, whatever is true, whatever is worthy of reverence and is honorable and seemly, whatever is just, whatever is pure, whatever is lovely  and  lovable, whatever is kind and winsome and gracious, if there is any virtue  and  excellence, if there is anything worthy of praise, think on  and  weigh  and  take account of these things [fix your minds on them].  Practice what you have learned and received and heard and seen in me, and model your way of living on it, and the God of peace (of untroubled, undisturbed well-being) will be with you.” (AMP)

Finally rest in his Grace: Since it is God who does the work in you to make you in His image (sanctification), rest in His Grace.  As Paul said in Philippians 1:6-11 “And I am sure of this, that he who began a good work in you will bring it to completion at the day of Jesus Christ.  It is right for me to feel this way about you all, because I hold you in my heart, for you are all partakers with me of grace, both in my imprisonment and in the defense and confirmation of the gospel.  For God is my witness, how I yearn for you all with the affection of Christ Jesus.  And it is my prayer that your love may abound more and more, with knowledge and all discernment,  so that you may approve what is excellent, and so be pure and blameless for the day of Christ,  filled with the fruit of righteousness that comes through Jesus Christ, to the glory and praise of God.” (ESV)

Main Topic: To Draw or Not To Draw, That is the question.

Doug and Troy talk about “At What Point Do You Draw Your Weapon” Lethal Force, every state is different so we need to make sure we are not offering legal advice.

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