ARP 067 - Coatings Extravaganza

Reed, J.W. and Anthony talk about coatings for your AR

Welcome to Episode #067 of the AR15 Podcast.  I’m your host Reed Snyder and with me today are both of my co-Hosts, J.W. Ramp and Anthony Hardy. This is the podcast about your favorite black rifle!  This show is for you; whether you're building your first AR or you’ve been building ARs for years. There is something we can all do to take our black rifle to the next level.

Brownells helps make this show possible.  

Due to overwhelming demand, Jake has relented and installed new flooring.  While we here at the AR-15 podcast question why he chose linoleum, we fully support the retirement of his lime green shag carpet.  So don’t forget that Brownells is there for you anytime you make a mistake, like when Jake shoots a spring across his avacado green linoleum flooring and it skids under the cabinets.

Brownells Item of the Week:  Lauer Custom Weaponry - Duracoat Painting System

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Tip of the Week:

300 Blackout

Main Topic:

[youtube] Coatings

What do we mean by coatings:

  • What to coat
    • Anything you can imagine
    • Why to coat
      • Aesthetics
      • Camouflage
      • Enhancement

Types of Coatings:

  • For Barrels
    • Parkerizing/Phosphate
    • Melonite
    • Chrome
    • For BCGs
      • NiB (Nickel Boron)
      • NP3 (Nickel Teflon)
      • TiN (Titanium Nitride)
      • Chrome
      • For Receivers/Furniture
        • Anodizing
  • Duracoat
  • Krylon
  • Hydrodipping

Tips on Coatings:

  • J.W. and his spray experience (Rustoleum)

Reference Material:

Listener Feedback:

Boarderbandit:  Good morning Reed & Anthony, Just listened to episode 66 and decided to throw my two cents into the pot.  I currently have two AR15's and am currently in the planning stages for my first ground up build.  With regards to the "upgrade" items you mentioned during the show I have a couple those items and have been quite pleased with them.

My first AR is a Colt Match Target HBAR II that I bought back in the late 1990's and is still in its 1994 AWB configuration (fixed stock and an un-threaded barrel.)  The only changes I've made were replacing the factory A2 stock with a Magpul A2 stock with a GG&G rear plate that allows me to use "HK" hook sling.  I also replaced the carbine length handguards with VLTOR CAS-V handguard.  This has given me the effect of a free float barrel without changing barrel nut or removing the delta ring.  Because the CAS-v bolts to the upper receiver where the A3 handle was originally located this allowed me to mount a BSA red-dot scope where it co-witnessed with the fixed front sight and a set of GG&G BUIS.  Say what you want about the cheap scope, but I had it putting 5 rounds into the size of a quarter at 50 yards on its brightest setting in the mid-day sun.

My other AR is a Franken-gun.  It is a DPMS lower with an ACE Ltd Skeleton stock and a Magpul MOE grip.  The upper is Stag Arms 3H with a Sampson "HK Style" folding front sight mounted on railed gas block.  I replaced the carbine length fore end with Magpul MOE and mounted an older Insite Technologies M3 light at the 10 o'clock position.  I am currently running a Daniels Defense A1.5 rear sight and waiting for an NC Star 4x32 scope to arrive and see how well that works.

My future build is going to be done around a 14.5 bbl with a Battle Comp A1.5 pinned to bring it up to a non NFA length of 16".  I would like to go with Rifle length gas system and create a "Disipator" but I don't believe that there would not be enough "dwell time" to reliably function, so I will most likely go with a mid-length  Do you have any recommendations as to who I should look at as far as barrels go?

Anyway, I also wanted to say that the AR15 podcast is one of the many shows that I listen to each week on FRN, and besides "Tactical Paradise" is only show whose hosts truly specialize in one platform.  Don't get me wrong, I like most of the other hosts, they just seem to bite off a little more than they can chew from time to time.

I know you aren't currently running any giveaway's, but please go ahead and put my name into any future drawings.

Michael C: Reed, Still listening to the podcast.  I have really enjoyed listening to the industry experts you have had on the podcast. I liked the gentleman from PWS whom I also believe shoots for the National Guard team.

Triggers - Yes, if you can't get a Geissele; get an ALG trigger

Regarding MRAD and MOA

An MRAD or "Mil" will be 3.6 inches at 100 yards, not .36.  What you were probably thinking of is most scopes have "click" in 1/10th.  Which means 1 "click" will equal .36 of an inch.

MOA is often referred to as Minute of Angle and is believed to be 1 inch at 100 yards.  It is actually 1.05 inches at 100 yards.  For most shooters this won't effect anything until you get out to 500 yards or more.

Please remind your listeners that the US Navy Rifle and Pistol Matches are fast approaching.  Civilians are welcome at these matches, you just need to have an NRA Hi-Power classification of Expert or higher, or previous CMP leg points.  You can get more information at   This is a great time to get in trigger time at ranges up to 600 yards, time permitting 1,000.

I look forward to talking to you again in the future.  I heard you mention JD Machining in San Diego.  I'm in San Diego at least once a month and if you would trust me, I would do an on the scene interview with them.

Keep up the good work.

Dan: I love your show. I always learn something new. Forgive me if you cover this and I missed it. My question is, if I build an AR pistol, can I install a 6 position buffer tube BUT NOT THE STOCK or do I have to install a dedicated pistol buffer tube? Thank you and keep up the good work.

Deputy514:  Hey Mr. Challand,  Just wanted to drop you an email to let you know I have been enjoying your podcast since the 3rd episode. I have listened to every single episode, some more than once. Thanks to the AR15 podcast I now have 6 complete AR15s. Although I did not completely build all of them, I did build the lowers on most of them. I now have 6 more AR15s in various stages of builds. Also thanks to your podcast I'm going to finally tackle building an AR upper. I have truly been bitten by the AR bug!! Please enter me in any giveaways if one is available.

Thank You!! Deputy514

P.S. Please do a show about AR grips, I can't remember if you have covered that yet.

Bradley J:  Hello Jake, First I would like to say congratulations! Your presence was missed on the shows, and it's great to have you back. I have listened to your show for quite a while now, and also went back and listened to all the episodes that were archived. Your show is still my favorite, although "we like shooting" and "this week in guns" remain top contenders! I've also started listening to Handgun radio, which has a lot of great information. I really appreciate all the hard work you and the others on FRN put into each episode.

I also listen to the AR15 podcast. As an owner of a MSR, this show can also be interesting at times. However, some of the show topics seem a bit repetitive. I have some suggestions for topics but I didn't know how best to propose them to Reed. I don't want to seem like I'm complaining about the show. Anyway, here are my topics:

Black rifles that are not ar15 (scar,etc)

Black rifles used in film shows/movies

Long distance black rifles

Foreign black rifles (I know Russian and Canadian were discussed but there are also Philippine, Chinese, South Korean, etc)

Parts kits/ military surplus

History and evolution of the black rifle

Modifying MSRs -not optics or triggers (eg hydro dipping, cerakote, etc. different stocks, slings (something I've never heard mentioned), handguards vs. rails, key mod, etc

Thank you for your time and keep up the great work!


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