AR-15 Podcast 176 - Silencer Shop Part 2

Welcome to Episode #176 of the AR15 Podcast. Jeremy from Silencer Shop joins us to discuss Thermonuclear Dynamics… and New ATF Rules - July 12th 2016 ( 2,000,000 in Tax Stamps ) SID Kiosk and more.

Shout Out:

Aero Precision M5 .308 Giveaway ( If you call me a SOA Reject… Your name may not be in the drawing.)

Otis Technology

Main Topic Silencer Shop Interview

  • The American Suppressor Association (ASA)

  1. What is it?

  2. Goal

  3. How Can We Help?

  • Silencer Shop

  1. What’s New?

  2. What Will We See from SS in the future?

  3. What is your relationship with the ATF like?

  4. Is there any question you’re tired of?

Outro:

AR-15 Podcast 175 - Silencer Shop

Welcome to Episode #175 of the AR15 Podcast. Jeremy from Silencer Shop joins us to discuss Thermonuclear Dynamics… and New ATF Rules - July 12th 2016 ( 2,000,000 in Tax Stamps ) SID Kiosk and more.

Shout Out:

Aero Precision M5 .308 Giveaway ( If you call me a SOA Reject… Your name may not be in the drawing.)

Otis Technology

News

Markey Bill Would Ban Kids From Firing Machine Guns, Assault Weapons

What We’ve Been Up To:

Reed -

Jeremy -

J.D.  -

Main Topic- Silencer Shop Interview

  • History of Silencer Shop

  • ATF 41F

  1. Public's reaction

  2. What it means to the Suppressor Industry.

  3. What it means for the consumer.

  4. Silencer Shop’s Plan.

  5. SID Kiosk

Feedback:

Phillip - What to they think the wait time will be now, post 7/13?
 

Outro:

ARP 115 - The ATF and the M855 Ban

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Welcome to Episode #115 of the AR15 Podcast. I’m your host Reed Snyder and with me tonight is Anthony Hardy with special guest Carmen Lout.  This is the podcast about your favorite black rifle!  This show is for you; whether you're building your first AR or you’ve been building ARs for years. There is something we can all do to take our black rifle to the next level. Brownells helps make this show possible.

Don’t forget that Brownells, with their 100% lifetime satisfaction guarantee, is there for you anytime you have a problem, like when you can’t remove the taper pins from your new barrel to slip off the front sight base and you now have to find a new barrel.

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Main Topic:

  1. What is the ATF Doing?

18 U.S.C. 921(a)(17)(c):

(B) The term “armor piercing ammunition” means—

(i) a projectile or projectile core which may be used in a handgun and which is constructed entirely (excluding the presence of traces of other substances) from one or a combination of tungsten alloys, steel, iron, brass, bronze, beryllium copper, or depleted uranium; or

(ii) a full jacketed projectile larger than .22 caliber designed and intended for use in a handgun and whose jacket has a weight of more than 25 percent of the total weight of the projectile.

18 U.S.C. 922(a)(7) & (8):

(7) for any person to manufacture or import armor piercing ammunition, unless—

(A) the manufacture of such ammunition is for the use of the United States, any department or agency of the United States, any State, or any department, agency, or political subdivision of a State;

(B) the manufacture of such ammunition is for the purpose of exportation; or

(C) the manufacture or importation of such ammunition is for the purpose of testing or experimentation and has been authorized by the Attorney General;

(8) for any manufacturer or importer to sell or deliver armor piercing ammunition, unless such sale or delivery—

(A) is for the use of the United States, any department or agency of the United States, any State, or any department, agency, or political subdivision of a State;

(B) is for the purpose of exportation; or

(C) is for the purpose of testing or experimentation and has been authorized by the Attorney General;

  1. Can they really do it?
  1. What can we do about it?
  1. Likely outcomes.

Statement from Erik Lund (LEO):

“The notion that ATF is only trying to protect our Nation’s Law

Enforcement officers from armor piercing bullets is a complete

fabrication and utter nonsense.  M855 ammunition has been available for

well over 20 years and in that time there is not a single recorded instance

of a LEO being killed by this specific ammunition.  M855 ammunition

does not even meet ATF’s own guidelines for what constitutes an actual

armor piercing bullet.  Virtually any rifle caliber cartridge will penetrate

Level IIIA body armor which itself was never designed to protect the

officer from rifle caliber projectiles, only handgun projectiles.  Banning

M855 ammunition will not save or protect a single LEO anywhere in the

Country.  It’s a fabrication designed to elicit sympathy from the

uninformed masses.

The sinister danger in this ban is not the loss of a specific type of

ammunition to the public in general, but in the precedent setting

administrative action that if successful, will allow the ATF to arbitrarily

and capriciously ban any type of projectile that they deem unfit for

public use.”

Reference Materials:

NRA-ILA: Explanatory article

ATF: 18 U.S.C. 921(c)18(a) basis for ammo in shooting sports

Contact the ATF!!!

The AR-15 Giveaway Winner:

Congrats to Hunter, our second giveaway winner!

Hunter now has his rifle and will be getting back to us when he gets a chance to beat the weather and hit the range.

NRA Show - April 9-12, Nashville, TN:

Interested in a listener meetup?  Post or message us on Facebook or send email to feedback@ar15podcast.com

Feedback:

@lyfestylesyndicateboyer: PSA/ALG/MagPul build

@dhcave: Decisions, decisions

Tom J:  Thanks for doing the show with the 80% arms, listening to it now it's now one of my new addiction just completed my 5th lower on the ar15. Now I'm saving up for the ar10 jig. Keep up the good work. Once again thanks for doing a show with 80% arms.

Thomas G:  Reed, JW, Great show, I have been thinking about tackling an 80% to widen my experience with the platform with the added benefit of pride in saying I finished the lower myself.  I hadn't heard of doing it with a router only a drill press.  I have since watched the videos and think that is much easier.

On another note the show inspired my  interest to in finishing up the curing oven I was building to do some Cerakote finishing for another added personalization with my builds.  The rabbit hole never stops!

I also want to thank you both for the insight on the red dot size choice. I was leaning towards the 2 MOA but was great to hear some validation of that choice.  Most of my friends are bolt action and handgun guys, so they don't have experience in the black rifle madness.   I didn't want to buy something at that price point, then have buyers remorse.  You can sell it and get something else but you typically lose a bit of money.

Tim C:  Guys, I ran into a situation that you may like to discuss on your show sometime. I'm sure it will help others after I was the one pulling my hair out for a few months.

After I built my hot new .300 AAC last year in the spring (16" DI rifle,) I was having intermittent issues with it not cycling right (currently supersonic only). I decided to try the easy step first, and bought a buffer spring with slightly lower "k" factor (i.e. weaker). It worked better but still not well. This last trip to the range before deer season was the straw that broke the camel's back. The other two obvious defects causing this are a barrel gas port that's too small or the gas block and barrel ports aren't in alignment. So I tore it down and started going over it with a micrometer and eyeballing other alignments not easily measured with a micrometer.

The barrel gas port size was 0.109". That looked perfectly acceptable for supersonic rounds from what I had read online. Then I lined up the dimple on the barrel with the rear hole in the gas block. I found a potential problem there. I had a hand guard end cap between the gas block and the gas block grind shoulder. I didn't realize it when I built the rifle, but the gas block was not lined up with the dimple when the end cap is installed. It lines up perfectly without it.

So I combed the web and found....nothing about gas block dimensions and whether there are different blocks for use with and without handguard end caps. I asked everyone on my "Gun Guys" Facebook group (Anthony might have seen it). And I posted it on the Project Appleseed forum. It took two days, but I finally received a relevant response of which I believe most black rifle users are unaware. I quote it as follows:

"Just so you know that you are getting good information, I work for a barrel maker as the quality manager.

That being said, the gas ports are in 2 general locations on the barrel.  the G.I. location is .295" on center from the gas block grind shoulder on the barrel.  (we put ours at .298")  The alternate location is .265" which allows for elimination of the front handguard plate and is specifically done for the DCM Service Rifle Free Float tube.

I have not been able to get a straight answer from any of the gas block manufacturers regarding the gas port location specification in the gas blocks.  Some of the gas port diameters in the gas blocks are up to .130" in diameter which allows for use on either barrel gas port location.

The way I see it is you have a few choices.

1. If you like the gas port you are using, grind about .030" off of the back of the gas block and lock tite it in place.

2. Try another gas block with a larger gas port hole. (you may have to really dig to get a diameter from the mfr.)

3. Open up the gas port on your gas block. This would have to be done with a tapered reamer so your transition would be smooth."

So that's the answer I received and it caused me to ditch my end cap and get a carbine length free float handguard (less work). Hopefully this response will help some of your listeners, who want to build a rifle, make sure they don't ignore the coordination between the gas block and the handguard end cap.

Adam B:  Hello guys , I've have a question . I get PSA Deals in my email almost everyday and they have some great prices on AR 15 upper and lower and parts also AR10's! I guess the question is what kind of quality I'm i looking to get with that brand ? I've read some good things about them but wanted your opinion on the rifle please? Will they be comparable to say a DPMS , S&W , SIG?  I have a sig 400 hunter edition with 1/8 twist 20" barrel in 556 that I can consistently shoot 1/2" groups at 100 yds with my reloads using 50gr zmax bullets ( and no I'm not into the zombie thing at all but they are the same bullets as the vmax but green instead of red tip lol ) The rifle in looking to get will be a 16" 1/7 or 1/8 so i shoot about any grain weight bullets out of it but wanting something shorter for plinking and home defence just want to make sure I'm getting something reliable !! What's the old saying get what you pay for !! Either way thanks for taking the time to do the show and keep up the good work !!

P.S. If you ever have a problem giving away a rifle again I'll take it lol !!

Livefyre Feed back from Gepper:  You guys up to speed on the "re-classification" by ATF of the M855 Green Tips? Would love to hear your thoughts and also if there is anything we can do to fight back. My understanding is that really isn't armor piercing but since it can be used in a pistol, it is...sort of???

Craig L:  Ar15 triggers. What would be the trigger you would buy for around $100? And for around $200? And your money no object, best trigger out there? Thanks.

Outro:

ARP 113 - An in Depth Look at 80% Lowers with 80% Arms, Inc

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Welcome to Episode #113 of the AR15 Podcast. I’m your host Reed Snyder and with me tonight is my co-host J.W. Ramp.  This is the podcast about your favorite black rifle!  This show is for you; whether you're building your first AR or you’ve been building ARs for years. There is something we can all do to take our black rifle to the next level. Brownells helps make this show possible.

Don’t forget that Brownells, with their 100% lifetime satisfaction guarantee, is there for you anytime you have a problem, like when you can’t remove the taper pins from your new barrel to slip off the front sight base and you now have to find a new barrel.

Brownells Edge Program

Shop for AR-15 parts at Brownells.  Go to: ar15podcast.com/parts

Main Topic: 80% Lowers with 80% Arms, Inc.

http://www.80percentarms.com/

  1. Definitions
  1. Tools and Equipment
    1. Router/Drill Press?
    2. Bits?
    3. Which router to use? Answer
  1. Machining Your Lower
  1. Finishout
  1. General Thoughts

Video from NSZ85 - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HgHJv7Xjik8

The AR-15 Giveaway Winner:

Congrats to Hunter, our second giveaway winner!

Hunter’s rifle is in the hands of the FFL and on its way.

Feedback:

Thomas G:  Thomas wrote in to encourage you to contact your legislators and let them know what you think about the ATF’s possible ban.

Gunrunr82:  Man, so awesome to hear this episode with FN. I'm a huge FN fan myself. Started with the purchase of my FNX9 and my latest purchase was the SCAR 17. Anything with their name on it is of interest to me. Could listen to this episode a dozen times.

Hunter C:  Thanks for the heads up Mr. Snyder. I'll be like a kid on Christmas eve till I fill out the paperwork and get it home! I look forward to seeing what it can do on the range. I'll make sure to send you an update after I test it out. Thanks again for the opportunity to win this gun, and please let Brownells know how thankful I am for their generosity in sponsoring this giveaway.

Tom J:  Hey Reed, Any word on when the AR15 podcast is going to do a show on the 80% lowers. Once again great show and keep up the good work.

Thomas G:  Hi Reed, JW & Anthony, Thanks for your feedback on my question about sight for my SBR. I understand that sight radius is not that great on SBR I am not looking for a long range rifle, I have better AR's configured for that.  As I had no experience shooting an SBR I am thankful to get your feedback.  I was thinking the XS big dot sight for point shooting out to 100m, thanks for sharing the info on the review before I spent the $130 for them.   When I built the SBR I had envisioned it would be for home defense, using it some fighting rifle training and shooting out to a max of 150m. Eventually doing some suppressed hog hunting.  Having said that what is your opinion on size of red dot should I utilize for close target acquisition and out to 150m, the 2 MOA or 4 MOA?

The only real experience I have with a red dot is the 4 MOA Vortex Strikefire just shooting paper from 25m to 100m and occasionally shooting 8 inch steel at 100m 200m and 300m from a sitting and standing position.

On another note I heard some snickering when you read my inquiry into talking about other chamber offerings.  I thought it might be interesting to hear from a guest that might have experience in those calibers.  I first started reading about 300 BLK and got caught up in the hype. So I built the first of my many AR's in 300 BLK in 2013.  (I now think I would have been better off staying in 223/5.56 but going with a 77gr since I don't shoot suppressed yet)  Before I spend money building the next fad I would like to see what others think of their AR's in other not so common calibers and what they are using them for.

I attached the photo again of the SBR with 10.5" barrel.  Next pic will have a Aimpoint but waiting on your discussion on 2 MOA vs 4 MOA.

Kevin C:  I have learned a lot about AR's listening to this podcast, but I dread playing it each week. Many of the podcasts I enjoy are about 45 minutes, like Michael Bane and The Gun Dudes. Maybe it takes more work to tighten it up, but the result is better. Another peeve is the audio stretch marks. Not sure if that is a Skype artifact or Reed's method of talking.

On the other hand, I really enjoyed and learned from the Marines talking optics and the Keymod episode. I just finished my second build in 6.8 SPC and have parts for more.  I meant this as constructive criticism, thanks for what you do and keep podcasting and improving.

Outro:

ARP 092 - Looking at SBRs and the AR Pistol from a New Perspective

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Welcome to Episode #092 of the AR15 Podcast. I’m your host Reed Snyder and with me today is my Co-hosts Anthony (the Wiseguy) Hardy. This is the podcast about your favorite black rifle!  This show is for you; whether you're building your first AR or you’ve been building ARs for years. There is something we can all do to take our black rifle to the next level. Brownells helps make this show possible.

Don’t forget that Brownells, with their 100% lifetime satisfaction guarantee, is there for you anytime you have a problem, like when you can’t remove the taper pins from your new barrel to slip off the front sight base and you now have to find a new barrel.

AR-15 Podcast - Episode #075

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Product of the Week:

Magpul’s new MOE SL Line of furniture and accessories

Main Topic:Looking at SBR's and the AR Pistol from a New Perspective

  1. SBR’s in the Era of 30 Day Approvals

- Still a $200.00 Tax Stamp

- ATF regulatory control

- eFiled Form 1 approvals running at around 30 days

  1. AR Pistols in the Era of Stabilizing Braces

- ATF Opinion Letter is not immutable

- Stabilizing Brace is Cost Effective at $165.00

- No Government Oversight (for now)

  1. Which Way to Jump

Feedback:

Rob L.:  The cost of litigious lawyers baked into gun prices? So, How much of a guns price is for CYA for potential lawsuits? Thank you trial lawyers!!!

Thanks......

Todd:  Now that I have my AR finished and ready to shoot I have been looking at different ammo. Cost is my major concern, but I do not want to damage my new gun either, so I have a few questions.

Key info: The shooting ranges in My area of Texas do not allow FMJ ammo.

I have a 16" 1/9 twist 5.56 chambered barrel.

1. Steel vs Brass - steel seems to be cheapest but will it cause problems with my gun or will it misfire etc?

2. Mail-order ammo using wikiarms.com to locate least expensive. Is there problems with mail ordering ammo? Or should I just go to nearest store. I have academy, Cabelas, Cheaper than dirt all within 30 miles.

3. Grain - I read and have researched til I am blue in face regarding twist rates. I purchased my barrel asking for a 1:7 but when I got it home I noticed it was 1:9 so I am stuck with that cause I don't want to deal with the store I got it from due to customer service.  I plan on target shooting at the range most of time and just want the right grain that will show off my new scope and rifle. So what grain HP or soft Point do I look for?

4. Do I need to beware reloads?

Thanks in advance. I am including the photo of my just completed AR 15.

Hugh:  Hey guys, I just got finished listening to your podcast on silencers/suppressor and thought it was great and super informative. I wanted to share a link that I thought you guys would like. It's shows the different baffle designs for about 100 different suppressors from old to the new. It's very cool to see all the different ways people use to solve the same problem. It even has cutaway pics of suppressor disasters, including one where a guy dumped a 30 round mag of 300 Blackout on full auto through a 5.56 can (12 rounds sheared off and made it through the core, the others piled up on the first baffle).

http://www.waguns.org/viewtopic.php?f=41&t=68

You guys talked about the OSS suppressor in your podcast but didn't know too much about it. I've shot one and have to say, as lefties, you'd dig it. They may not be the quietest, but they only have about 10% of the increased back pressure that suppressors normally add, so there is no blowback in your face and far less wear on the gun.

On a completely unrelated note, I have a 15" BCM KMR rail on my Daniel Defense and I absolutely love it. One of the unintended benefits of having a keymod rail is that you can weave paracord through the holes to make a light, cheap and durable handguard. You can also change colors and patterns as often as you like for only about 50 cents worth of material. I've attached a pic so you can see what I mean. Just be sure that you wrap it tight so none of it is touching the actual barrel, and start with a longer piece than you think you need. Trust me, it sucks balls when you run out  about 80% of the way through and have to unweave all your work, cut a longer piece and then start over.

Keep up the good work, the show has improved so much since the beginning; it's not even funny.

Rob L.:  45 AR-15? Have you guys covered .45 ACP AR-15s? I know you did 9MM a while back. I understand their are several .45 uppers available. Maybe revisit pistol cal AR's.  I'd put a 45 AR on my wish list. Even with the higher cost of 45 ammo.  I'd bet that many "smarter" AR owners have .45 ACPs.  Thanks

Thanks Rob!  Here are a couple of links to 45 ACP AR15s.

http://www.midwayusa.com/product/767426/olympic-arms-ar-15-a3-upper-receiver-assembly-45-acp

http://bazookabrothers.com/pages/home/1

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